Gregory Lauder-Frost (real name Greg Frost) is the founder of the Traditional Britain Group and a long-standing Nazi sympathiser. Here he is pictured with Jacob Rees Mogg. He is a convicted criminal born in Australia (and therefore also descended from criminals) who likes to pose as British "country gent." Back in 2014 we were in the same political group on Facebook. Here is one of our typical exchanges:
Gregory Lauder-Frost:
On 10th February 1945 off the coast of Pomerania the German passenger liner "Steuben", overloaded with over 4000 civilian refugees from the East, was deliberately targeted and torpedoed by Soviet submarine S-13. Only 500 survived the attack. Lest we forget who the real barbarians of WWII were.
Sam Chester: Greg, only you would make this political. For God's sake, man, give it a rest. I agree what happened here was awful, but nowhere near as bad as the concentration camps, which happened on both sides. War is disgusting, and disgusting things happen...
Gregory Lauder-Frost: Sam, two wrongs don't make a right; and clearly you are not familiar with Bolshevik wartime atrocities. Of course it is political. (20 'likes'!)
John Scholey: I'm with Greg on this. The Soviets massacred women and children wholesale in the most brutal manner, raping females between the ages of 6 to 86 often until they actually died. Three million of them. All well-recorded. They sank numerous shiploads of civilian refugees like the above. They are filthy Red scum. Chester needs to get a life. We are not on comparisons here. Lets deal with this.
Sam Chester: HAHA 20 likes... Wow... I remember in 1979 when the National Front convinced themselves they spoke for the majority of Britain... Then all their candidates for MP lost their deposits lol... Similar to you, Greg, you've convinced yourself your not an obsessed, racist, clown because of 20 likes... LOL
John Scholey: Administrators ^^^^^^^We have the enemy here.
Giovanni Giustiniani Longo: And the French army, for example, was gunning down German civilians trying to cross Elba. And not to mention the atrocities commited by the French colonial troops in both Germany and Italy. Rapes and murders in Stuttgart's subway, and the rampage of...
Gregory Lauder-Frost: That's OK, Giovanni Giustiniani Longo, because murder, barbarism and savagery was on the winning side. Ask yourself this: how many Communists have been brought to the bar of justice since 1945? 145,000,000 dead at their hands across the world.
Giovanni Giustiniani Longo: They should be, of course. For me, 9th of May is never a Victory Day. I would like to see an initiative to bring to the justice the politkomisars and the rest of the scum who encouraged and ordered those crimes and forced defiling of the German and other European women. But, I think that kind of initiative could be attacked as an act of Antisemitism, if you know what I mean.
Colin Liddell: Any idea how many troops were on board this ship?
John Scholey: It was a luxury liner which had been on the trans-Atlantic route before the war. I think about half those on board were bedridden hospitalised troops with attending medical staff and nurses. The vast public rooms were fitted out with beds.
Colin Liddell: In no way do I approve of what happened, but, still, there is a little hint of karma in the fact that the nation that employed submarine warfare so extensively finally suffered from it so much.
Gregory Lauder-Frost: Surely employing submarine warfare against merchant fleets is a different thing altogether?
Colin Liddell: Yes, there is a difference, even though the less odious form may lead to starvation. But I also believe the Germans occasionally sunk the odd passenger ship themselves. Also, I think much of the blame has to go to the German leadership for prolonging the war well into the depths of defeat, although the allies, with victory certain, could well have moderated their ruthlessness.
Gregory Lauder-Frost: You speak in retrospect, of course. My point was that the Soviets were ruthless barbarians who aimed as much at civilians as the military and they were more than aware that ships leaving Pillau & Danzig were crammed with civilians. They certainly would not carry fit soldiers who were desperately needed at the front! Anyway, despite the discussion my view is this was a war crime.
Colin Liddell: I think that they would have carried soldiers needed to defend the Oder front as the Baltic front was an isolated pocket by that stage, therefore, whatever the make-up of the passenger list, it would have made sense to transfer as many troops back to the main front as possible, as well as anyone important; especially as the German leadership wished to continue the war as long as possible. This sad incident is useful in illustrating that the war wasn't a simple fight of good vs. evil, but it is hardly capable of entirely inverting that paradigm.
Gregory Lauder-Frost: You "think"? It is surely well-known that Hitler did not move troops around like this but forced them to stand their ground. anyway the passenger lists are well-established in the books I read. No apologies for Bolsheviks, European civilisation's real enemy!
Colin Liddell: I'm sure that the passenger lists, such as they were, like every other aspect of that much contested war will be open to debate and query, and dependent on what view of the war particular historians and experts choose to adopt. So, "thinking" i.e. speculating using common sense and reasonable probability, is probably a more effective way at getting at the truth than relying on "carefully selected data."
Gregory Lauder-Frost: Pardon me? That is not academic rigour. You'd be a fail in one of my classes.
Colin Liddell: As you would be in one of mine. Your bias is starting to show.
John Scholey: I'm with Greg on this. The Soviets massacred women and children wholesale in the most brutal manner, raping females between the ages of 6 to 86 often until they actually died. Three million of them. All well-recorded. They sank numerous shiploads of civilian refugees like the above. They are filthy Red scum. Chester needs to get a life. We are not on comparisons here. Lets deal with this.
Sam Chester: HAHA 20 likes... Wow... I remember in 1979 when the National Front convinced themselves they spoke for the majority of Britain... Then all their candidates for MP lost their deposits lol... Similar to you, Greg, you've convinced yourself your not an obsessed, racist, clown because of 20 likes... LOL
John Scholey: Administrators ^^^^^^^We have the enemy here.
Giovanni Giustiniani Longo: And the French army, for example, was gunning down German civilians trying to cross Elba. And not to mention the atrocities commited by the French colonial troops in both Germany and Italy. Rapes and murders in Stuttgart's subway, and the rampage of...
Gregory Lauder-Frost: That's OK, Giovanni Giustiniani Longo, because murder, barbarism and savagery was on the winning side. Ask yourself this: how many Communists have been brought to the bar of justice since 1945? 145,000,000 dead at their hands across the world.
Giovanni Giustiniani Longo: They should be, of course. For me, 9th of May is never a Victory Day. I would like to see an initiative to bring to the justice the politkomisars and the rest of the scum who encouraged and ordered those crimes and forced defiling of the German and other European women. But, I think that kind of initiative could be attacked as an act of Antisemitism, if you know what I mean.
Colin Liddell: Any idea how many troops were on board this ship?
John Scholey: It was a luxury liner which had been on the trans-Atlantic route before the war. I think about half those on board were bedridden hospitalised troops with attending medical staff and nurses. The vast public rooms were fitted out with beds.
Colin Liddell: In no way do I approve of what happened, but, still, there is a little hint of karma in the fact that the nation that employed submarine warfare so extensively finally suffered from it so much.
Gregory Lauder-Frost: Surely employing submarine warfare against merchant fleets is a different thing altogether?
Colin Liddell: Yes, there is a difference, even though the less odious form may lead to starvation. But I also believe the Germans occasionally sunk the odd passenger ship themselves. Also, I think much of the blame has to go to the German leadership for prolonging the war well into the depths of defeat, although the allies, with victory certain, could well have moderated their ruthlessness.
Gregory Lauder-Frost: You speak in retrospect, of course. My point was that the Soviets were ruthless barbarians who aimed as much at civilians as the military and they were more than aware that ships leaving Pillau & Danzig were crammed with civilians. They certainly would not carry fit soldiers who were desperately needed at the front! Anyway, despite the discussion my view is this was a war crime.
Colin Liddell: I think that they would have carried soldiers needed to defend the Oder front as the Baltic front was an isolated pocket by that stage, therefore, whatever the make-up of the passenger list, it would have made sense to transfer as many troops back to the main front as possible, as well as anyone important; especially as the German leadership wished to continue the war as long as possible. This sad incident is useful in illustrating that the war wasn't a simple fight of good vs. evil, but it is hardly capable of entirely inverting that paradigm.
Gregory Lauder-Frost: You "think"? It is surely well-known that Hitler did not move troops around like this but forced them to stand their ground. anyway the passenger lists are well-established in the books I read. No apologies for Bolsheviks, European civilisation's real enemy!
Colin Liddell: I'm sure that the passenger lists, such as they were, like every other aspect of that much contested war will be open to debate and query, and dependent on what view of the war particular historians and experts choose to adopt. So, "thinking" i.e. speculating using common sense and reasonable probability, is probably a more effective way at getting at the truth than relying on "carefully selected data."
Gregory Lauder-Frost: Pardon me? That is not academic rigour. You'd be a fail in one of my classes.
Colin Liddell: As you would be in one of mine. Your bias is starting to show.
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NOTE: According to Wikipedia, the Steuben had 800 civilians out of a total of 4,267 registered passengers.
The submarine that sunk her was from Leningrad, a city that had lost approximately 1.5 million people during a recent Nazi siege, or 1,875 for every registered civilian lost on the Steuben.
The submarine that sunk her was from Leningrad, a city that had lost approximately 1.5 million people during a recent Nazi siege, or 1,875 for every registered civilian lost on the Steuben.
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